for the money these are some outstanding reels. (i was very impressed) i use them for salmon and halibut here in alaska . (both from a kayak and also surf fishing) on a scale of 1 to 10 i give them a 9. (why not ten?) i like to have the small line holder on the side of the spool so when you dont have any gear on you can clip the line to the side of the spool so it does not unravel. (these reels do not have that HINT HINT PENN) other then that they cast awsome, have a killer drag and real extreamly smooth. cant beat them for the price! well done penn!