This stuff is amazing. For years i tried all the gels and clays and pomades and just couldnt find a product strong enough to hold my stubborn hair in place, until Joico Ice Spiker came along. You cant get a stronger hair product - PERIOD! You dont need much and you can even go out in the rain or sleep on your style and it will hold its shape. I cant say enough about this product. You wont be disappointed!